Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Ubiquity - Mozilla

My new favorite browser toy: Ubiquity - by Mozilla Labs. Why do I love it click on the link and just watch the video of all the stuff it can do!

The Future of Web 2.0

Well, I suppose it is safe to say at this point we all know how much I love to foray the unfamiliarity of the less chartered networks that make up social media. I attempt to master the sign up wizards, understand site's capabilities and pit falls and then spend the rest of my free time (that little bit I have between working or sleeping) to offer some fecund insights, in the hopes that you can take my words, and enrich them like a musical composition is enriched by a composer. I trust that some day you, or some other tech evangalist like (Geoff Livingston, Chris Brogan, Joseph Jaffe), will produce a completely novel proof that will uncomplicate the future of social media, but for now the steps to social media bliss are like a highly sought after unwritten theorem that I am waiting to read.

The web is like Newton discovering gravity with an apple. Every piece of our puzzle is present, in front of our noses even, and waiting to be defined. Waiting to hit us on the head so that we can gain the empiphany of truth. As John Burg's Blog recently stated, "Excellence will be defined by the dynamic mix of the old and the new, the experienced with the excited, the well worn and the fresh faced." The online populous is beyond strenuous grasping of credulity searching for any hack to reveal a quick fix to our over-discussed lectures regarding things like money, social media roi, connecting with customers, or understanding the hype of various sites. Please remove yourselves from that group and simply empower yourselves with knowlege, you've already taken the first step, by reading blogs, studying books, contributing to wikis, and watching podcasts. It is something you can do on a train commute to work, or by multi-tasking, but you will never move forward unless you take that first step. One of my favorite quotes (and I can't remember it perfectly right now or find it on Google so if you know who it is by please leave it in the comments) is a quote that simply states that the future will not by defined by methods that already exist, because the future holds inventions that are yet to be discovered.

Until then, I leave you with this quote:

"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round heads in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify, or vilify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

-- Think Different, Apple Computers Advertisement

Ed Newman also has a great post on Web 2.0

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Tuesday, August 26, 2008

My awesome interview with chris g williams:


Design Issues with Web 2.0.

Is web 2.0 becoming too identical, too fad, or can everyone still think and design for themselves?

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The altercation and judging of new media vs. traditional

"Most corporations, on the other hand, only know how to talk in the soothing, humorless monotone of the mission statement, marketing brochure, and your-call-is-important-to-us busy signal. Same old tone, same old lies. No wonder networked markets have no respect for companies unable or unwilling to speak as they do.

But learning to speak in a human voice is not some trick, nor will corporations convince us they are human with lip service about "listening to customers." They will only sound human when they empower real human beings to speak on their behalf.

While many such people already work for companies today, most companies ignore their ability to deliver genuine knowledge, opting instead to crank out sterile happytalk that insults the intelligence of markets literally too smart to buy it.

However, employees are getting hyperlinked even as markets are. Companies need to listen carefully to both. Mostly, they need to get out of the way so intranetworked employees can converse directly with internetworked markets.

Corporate firewalls have kept smart employees in and smart markets out. It's going to cause real pain to tear those walls down. But the result will be a new kind of conversation. And it will be the most exciting conversation business has ever engaged in. "

That my friends is the beginning of the Clue Train, an e-book that dictates the beginning of online conversations. It has a similar tone as all other of these books and also sprung the pr industry's antithesis by Andrew Keen entitled, "How Today's Internet is Killing Our Culture (Hardcover)." Both state valid points on the state of corporations aging processes towards marketing and retaining business with out-dated customer service tactics, but one opposes the other in how that conversation should be held and maintained. Especially from the stand point of who appropriates the initiation. One side leaves the message up to a large community with companies hiring specialists to monitor their brand reputation and the other insists on old fashioned media and traditional techniques for marketing. I stand at the impasse thinking neither are completely right or wrong, but will simply leave the decision on your capable shoulders, who is right and who is wrong or is it simply the ladder in a changing era?


One thing I can agree with most recently is the lack of effective, well made, or even well though-out presentations.

"PR is (should be) the business of making the case to the public on behalf of a client. Exclusively! Period. And the disappearance of the skill of writing in our business is inextricably related to the loss of the ability to do just that. By default, this is absolutely why today the business endorses "the conversation." It's because the business has lost the ability to make a convincing, meaningful and memorable presentation. If you cannot do formal, endorse casual.

The danger is that today, rather than making a case that is held up to independent standard, we manipulate, influence and instigate the collective mob. Forget the facts; forget law; forget consequence. Picasso uses too much blue; let's hang 'em!

Ironically, according to Cluetain Manifesto co-author David Weinberger, this "conversation" that we now hold high neither needs nor wants us."

The more I watch the television, the more I am subjected to dull mis-guided commercials. In a world were cable and Facebook (or any other entity) can easily narrow down their audiences and present something that I could be truely interested in. Let's just say for a moment that Google doesn't exist. Even in that instance, companies could still send me a message. So many commercials and campaigns are just NOT funny anymore. I feel that this has circled around to the web as well. I've never pretended to be a journalism major, or a copywriter, but that doesn't mean everything that goes out of the door and into other peoples houses needs to be over-simplified like a bad furniture store or car commercial with no budget so they did it themselves. I almost want to just recommend if you can't do it right the first time, don't do it at all.

Thursday, August 21, 2008

Chat with craigkey about SMBMSP and SMHH

1:54 PM craigkey: hey :)
  g chat is easier for me than twitter...cause my phone keeps going off for d messages
1:55 PM me: sounds good
 craigkey: haven't played much with sniki yet...
 me: you know you can change your setting so it doesnt do that during work hours only
 craigkey: but i love the concept
  oh yeah! good idea. maybe i will
 me: plus you should add your blog to it ;)
 craigkey: seriously i wasn't trying to start shit--I'm pretty sure the smbmsp group is way more fun than that
1:56 PM add my blog to sniki?
 me: , (for companies who sell or use social media), and are all pages you might like
1:57 PM i didnt read your post
  what it say smb sucks?
 craigkey: nice!
 me: i only caught the part that said you were trying to get a rile out of me
 craigkey: no it didn't say anything bad about smb--it was just talking about the c
 me: c rivalry?
 craigkey: no. type-o
 me: what s that?
 craigkey: sec
2:00 PM me: oh.. nah... just that everyone keeps inviting me to lunch but i hate leaving work... i never leave.... so ... thought getting everyone together at once would be nice... and it would be completey different no speakers informal and just drinks and people talking (just like what happens AFTER every event)
 craigkey: for sure! i think it's a great caused a minor ripple: but like i said, all press is good press
2:01 PM me: lol

13 minutes
2:15 PM me: crap
  i didnt mean to make people mad.. just thought this would be a nice way to get together
2:16 PM i love tweetups
 craigkey: you didn't! seriously even @smbmsp says it's a good idea
  lindsi is being touchy--but she's the only one
  i feel like i just started a nasty rumor in the 7th grade or something!
 me: lol
2:17 PM ya... i just always feel like there is never enough time with people after events and that is one of my fav. parts
  i posted on happyhoursocial what i said to you.. kind of as a reply
2:18 PM craigkey: ok good. for sure--i didn't get to do much socializing at all at SMBMSP
  it was much more formal and HH is a great idea
2:19 PM your short url didn't work for me

10 minutes
2:30 PM craigkey: if you want me to stop i will...i really didn't think it would make waves. i just think it's really funny so i guess i'm still egging it on a bit :)

9 minutes
2:40 PM me: .....:( i didnt invite half of these peopel...
  not that i dont mind a few newbies
  just thought it would be more like a friend event not something lindsi would make cracks at
2:41 PM but now that weve started something im making the best of it .. so if you want to follow the thread of convo easier... happyhoursocial has friended everyone talking about it automatically and will have all the chit chat on its favorites

6 minutes
2:48 PM craigkey: i'm sorry--i really am! I totally didn't think anyone would notice my tweet--much less take it seriously!
  and it totally didn't mean to invite people to your thing--either.
  maya copa!
2:50 PM me: its ok... its just suppose to be friends and good times...
  wasnt anything related even to smb
2:51 PM craigkey: for sure

17 minutes
3:08 PM me: please help dowse the flames... @ a couple of them
3:09 PM so i can ignore twitter again
 craigkey: ok i will...i'm commenting on lindsi's blog now
  did you see it?

5 minutes

59 minutes
4:19 PM me: lol:Holy crap! Who would've guessed you inviting friends for drinks would have become a topic, a hashtag, and an SMB agenda item?
 craigkey: haha
  "all press is good press!"
  although in this case--i don't think you were looking for ANY press.
4:20 PM i think now everyone is cool.
 me: lol
 craigkey: lindsi and smbmsp both made it clear that they weren't out for blood
 me: i think somethings were blown outof proportion
  especially when people didnt look at facts first
  (not you)
 craigkey: my twitter has been blowing up!
 me: mine ironically hasnt
4:21 PM maybe i should have played the part of the instigator and blamed it all on you
 craigkey: totally!
  "craigsanatomy framed me!"
 me: lol Im tweeting that
 craigkey: nah you're still a social media rockstar. i'm still an unknown!
4:22 PM me: rockstar? nah
  barely known
 craigkey: we could start a mock rivalry between me and you...that would be kinda fun!
 me: im still saying you framed me ... for the laughs
  hehe that would eb fun
 craigkey: ok
 me: we can talk the whole time we are doing it too and post the chat later
 craigkey: k
4:23 PM me: i tweeted it heheh
4:25 PM craigkey: i hope people get my al franken/norm coleman reference!

21 minutes
4:46 PM me: they are going to hate me/you/or us
4:47 PM craigkey: what? no they won't
  why? i think everyone's laughing now
 me: lol
4:48 PM im laughing
4:50 PM craigkey: good! me too :)
4:52 PM ok i think i'm done brutally attacking your character
 me: lol
  I just sent you one
  im done too peace to all and to all a good night
 craigkey: twitterfox is so slow!
  ok have fun at alphabet...won't make it.
 me: im excited for alphabet bash... also forewarning im blog posting this
4:53 PM craigkey: haha ok that's fair!
  just keep my email address off
 me: deal
 craigkey: have a good night!

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Social Media Happy Hour

In response to:  Lindsi's recent post.

Just to comment really quickly, because it seems to be ignore is that @happyhoursocial is not another social network or mima, adfed, or even an smb or tweetup. This group was dmed to a very small amount of people that I enjoy talking to at different events. They all happen to be brilliant like-minded social media enthusiast that I feel like we never get enough time to talk after each event (and I go to most all of them). Basically the idea was as simple as: "I want to meet with my friends once a month, oh my work friends are also tech geeks like me, well what seems easier than making either a ning/or facebook group for it?"

I would never shun anyone away- I love meeting new people, but just think it needs to be clarified a little better the intentions of this group.

The group:

Also if you want to follow the LONG thread of conversation about SMB vs SMHH or the "social media fight" I've made it easy for you: they are all under :

So you don't have to use summize, tweet search or quotations.

If you have questions:

Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Social Media Marketing, the gateway for casual music listener into avid fan?

I recently read a post from Ignite Social Media entitled, Social Media Can Be a Backstage Pass, this post brought back some fond memories of my first experiences with music communities and social networking. It also made me start thinking of times when social networks, especially music ones, didn't force me into buying anything but inspired me to do so. What an awesome thought, a social marketers wet dream even, to be able to INSPIRE a customer to move into the next level of their brand experience relationship. The next level of going from someone who likes and respects your brand, but now loves and prefers that brand over all similar brands.

One of my fondest memories with this came from the Doritos 2008 Superbowl Campaign. Someone just like me blogged about the buzz surrounding Doritos' Superbowl competition that had been running on YouTube. This blogger (sorry I don't remember blogger, but their are many that did) also posted the winner of the Doritos competition, Kina Grannis singing "Message From the Heart," the winner got their video placed in the Dorito's commercial during the SuperBowl 2008.

Now just to preface my story a little more, I never buy cds (similar to the person who wrote the Ignite Article), but I loved the music video. I took the time to look it up on YouTube, blogged about it, bought all three of her cds from her site, added her to my pandora, and bought the single on itunes (I'm not lying ask anyone who was following me on twitter at the time).

In short social media marketing has had many impacts on me, I got my job that way, find music that way, meet new people (I do have a life outside of the computer though --I swear). How has social media impacted your life? Find me on twitter, tell me your story, or just try something new! Until then, happy Wednesday!

Friday, August 15, 2008

Interactive Medias Blog by Desaraev

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Twitter Follow vs. Followee Ratio... when does it matter?

Preface on how this came about:

Desarae A. Veit frankly at this point, I've tweeted tons, I'm a person not a brand, I'm not a link spammer, & i have a few friend i know wont unfollow me-

Desarae A. Veit see my last tweet + so If I want to follow 1000 people 5000 people and i only have 100, or 500 followers. I DONT CARE if you follow me back!

Desarae A. Veit (see last 2 tweets) - there is a point when u know Im real (After my last 2,000 tweets?) so if you like my conversation get over my ratio.

sbspalding: @desaraev Just because it's apropos. I don't think it's the ratio that matters as such. You could be following 10k people if you are -
sbspalding: @desaraev using your account. The problem is the flood of 1000/12 accts that are made that are in no way legitimate.

Desarae A. Veit @sbspalding no I understand and completely agree with that (you can also tell they are fake by the name, picture, lack of bg)

Desarae A. Veit @sbspalding what i think is dumb is people who complain about legit accounts. I clearly have more then 12 followers... I have tons of favs

Desarae A. Veit @sbspalding tons of tweets... so if i want to see who else is out there... add 500 and wein them down in a wk. thats my choice.

Kirstenwright: @desaraev I've always wondered about people w/ 10,000 followees...really? you care about 10,000 people? lol. You tho r def. worth following

Desarae A. Veit @kirstenwright thanks! Very nice compliment

Desarae A. Veit My point is simple: I like to look up people w/ sim. interest follow them for a day or 2& delete all the people who dont add to the convo.

Desarae A. Veit So if tomorrow my ratio is 2000 (me following) & 600 following me ... critics can kiss my bum (read last few tweets to understand)

@desaraev I never look at ratio. I always ask, does this person have something to say that I'm interested in hearing several times a day.

Desarae A. Veit @patrickrhone Exactly. Right on.
Desarae A. Veit ..or maybe i just like to stir up opinions towards the end of the day who knows... blame the seo for my mid-day coffee rants :D

Desarae A. Veit Last rant on follow/followee ratios ( again read last few posts if you feel lost) How are you going to find anyone new.. if you dont look?

Ok tweeters... now that you are all interested ;) I wrote a blog post on the subject!

In this post I intend to tell you exactly when I think looking at ratios matters and why. Most the time I'm going to tell you it doesn't matter. My first question to you is this: The person who you are about to not follow (or block from allowing them to follow you), are they real, do they have something worth saying, could they be your next client or employer? How do you know the answers to these questions (unless of course your just blocking everyone and then the answer is NO, you will probably NEVER have a connection with those people.

What an awful thing, to block out people, to block out the world without ever giving them a chance. Now I do understand that recently Twitter, especially compared to some micro-blog services), has seen a MAJOR increase in fake profiles. For a very long time I have made a point to look at peoples profiles when I get the email that they are following me and if I think that person is creepy (I determine this by the number of other women they are following -- especially if its 100%, the number of perverted posts, and the number of followers), and I've also made a point to block micro-spammers. Why might you ask, and you might also be thinking --this doesn't help your case, just wait yes it does. Micro-blog spammers are simply people who get an account to post their dumb links and never join in any conversation. I WANT that conversation. I don't care how big your company is. I've stopped following the small twitter accounts like (girls name)12446363774754 and I've stopped following the New York Times for the same reason. Why? Because even though I want to know about your content, I don't want you to be the only thing showing up on my screen!

Now there is me. I started twitter in late 2007, with no intention of following anyone other than my boyfriend. Now I'm practically a twitter evangelist. I've learned how I can benefit from it's content. For starts I got my job from my boss who I met off of Twitter. I've also received countless freelance jobs, networking friends, and read hundreds of blog posts I wouldn't have searched out on my own. In the beginning the first 3 or 400 of my followers/followees found me. I don't always know how because I only ever asked about 50 of them, but one thing I do know is I wouldn't mind finding more interesting people (or just keeping the ones that I have). I like the random content that I receive. I've also learned that just like in real life, I don't need to follow every second of everyones' day but my own. So if I want to find a sertain topic I use tweet search. Otherwise when I'm interested I glance over at one of my twitter desk top apps and read a random tweet, but I ALWAYS follow my @replies and direct messages! Now to the real point. Why ignore ratios? Because half the time--you WOULD NOT be following me then. I have about 700 followers right now. If they all go away but ten .. I would still be happy as long as they don't block me. I want to know what they are thinking, blogging, talking about, and while I would be sad not to have all of their feedback... being able to do what I want is more important to me. On a regular basis I do a search for new twitterers, people with similar interests, people who talk about social media, bloggers etc. Then I follow TONS of them for a few days. When I'm done I go through the neebies that I don't recognize or that didn't follow me back etc. and unfollow them (for now). Some day we might find each other again, but I look for new people to join in my conversation (and don't worry I keep track of who is new--so you are not at risk of being unfollowed except by accident).

So my question(s) to you: what do you have to say, what is your conversation about, and if that person is saying something why are you blocking them-- when they may benefit from your conversation. If someone is being professional, new/or not, and is genuinly interested/interesting why block them?

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Thursday, August 14, 2008

Re: Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know my blog is normally a mash-up of information about interactive medias, design, social media, and marketing, but a friend of mine recently told me about Sharia Law and how it is being implemented in Britain, and how SOME extremists are lobbying to have it in the USA. So I wanted to shed some light on my readers and share why we should NEVER EVER have it in the United States.

The following article was not written by me, it came from The American Thinker
Please also read the very last comment. The guy "agrees" with why 9/11 happened. Ugh!

August 13, 2005

Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies

By James Arlandson

Traditional Muslims who understand the Quran and the hadith believe that sharia (Islamic law) expresses the highest and best goals for all societies. It is the will of Allah.

But is Islam just in its laws that Muhammad himself practiced and invented?

This article says no for ten verifiable reasons.

Here are four points you must read, before reading this article:

First, sometimes these ten points quote the Quran or omit it; sometimes they quote the hadith (reports of Muhammad's words and actions outside of the Quran) or omit it. This is done only to keep down the length of the article. No one should be fooled into believing that these harsh and excessive laws were invented in the fevered imagination of extremists who came long after Muhammad. These harsh and excessive laws come directly from the founder of Islam in his Quran and in his example in the hadith.

Second, each of these ten reasons has a back—up article (or more) that is long and well documented with quotations and references to the Quran, the hadith, and classical legal opinions. The supporting articles also examine the historical and literary context of each Quranic verse. If the readers, especially critics, wish to challenge one or all of these ten reasons, or if they simply doubt them, they should click on the supporting articles. They will see that Muhammad himself actually laid down these excessive punishments and policies.

Third, it must be pointed out that these harsh laws are not (or should not be) imposed outside of an Islamic court of law. Careful legal hurdles must be passed before the punishments are carried out. However, even in that case, it will become clear to anyone who thinks clearly that these punishments and policies are excessive by their very nature, and excess is never just, as Aristotle taught us in his Nicomachean Ethics.

Fourth, in each of the lengthy supporting article (or articles), a Biblical view on these infractions of moral law (or sometimes civil law or personal injuries) is presented. One of the reasons we all sense that these Islamic punishments are harsh and excessive is that Christianity has also filled the globe. Even if one is not a Christian or is only a nominal Christian, he or she has breathed deeply of Christianity by virtue of laws and customs or even driving by churches. New Testament Christianity, when properly understood and followed, offers humanity dignity.

'Islam' in this article stands for Muhammad, the earliest Muslims, and classical legal scholars.

Here are the top ten reasons why sharia or Islamic law is bad for all societies.

10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.

In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging not only for illicit sex (see reason no. nine), but also for drinking alcohol.

In 2005, in Nigeria a sharia court ordered that a drinker should be caned eighty strokes.

In 2005, in the Indonesian province of Aceh, fifteen men were caned in front of a mosque for gambling. This was done publicly so all could see and fear. Eleven others are scheduled to undergo the same penalty for gambling.

After going through two previous confusing stages before coming down hard on drinkers and gamblers, the Quran finally prohibits alcohol and gambling in Sura 5:90—91; they do not prescribe the punishment of flogging, but the hadith does. A poor 'criminal' was brought to Muhammad who became angry:

The Prophet felt it hard (was angry) and ordered all those who were present in the house, to beat him [the drinker dragged into Muhammad's presence]. (Bukhari, Punishments, nos. 6774—6775)

Thus, we see no offer of help for the alcoholic when he is dragged before Muhammad and his followers. Why does Muhammad not offer rehabilitation? Why does he immediately go to corporal punishment?

The later classical legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith, so we do not need to examine them here.

It is sometimes argued that Islamic countries are pure, whereas the West is decadent. No one can argue with this latter claim, but are Islamic countries pure? The Supplemental Material, below, demonstrates that Islamic countries still have drinking and gambling in them.

Here is the article  that supports this tenth point and that analyzes the confusing Quranic verses on drinking and gambling. It analyzes the hadith and later legal rulings.

9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.

Rania al-Baz before and after her beating (Arab News)
Rania al-Baz suffered multiple fractures (picture: Arab News)

In 2004, Rania al—Baz, who had been beaten by her husband, made her ordeal public to raise awareness about violence suffered by women in the home in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi television aired a talk show that discussed this issue. Scrolling three—fourths of the way down the link, the readers can see an Islamic scholar holding up sample rods that husbands may use to hit their wives.

The Quran says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (MAS Abdel Haleem, the Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004)

The hadith says that Muslim women in the time of Muhammad were suffering from domestic violence in the context of confusing marriage laws:

Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az—Zubair Al—Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" (Bukhari)

This hadith shows Muhammad hitting his girl—bride, Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr: Muslim no. 2127:

'He [Muhammad] struck me [Aisha] on the chest which caused me pain.'

It is claimed that Islamic societies have fewer incidents of fornication and adultery because of strict laws or customs, for example, women wearing veils over their faces or keeping separate from men in social settings. But these results of fewer incidents of sexual 'crimes' may have unanticipated negative effects in other areas, such as the oppression of women. Generally, sharia restricts women's social mobility and rights, the more closely sharia is followed. For example, in conservative Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive cars.  In Iran, the law oppresses women. For example, women's testimony counts half that of men, and far more women than men are stoned to death for adultery.

Here is the supporting article for the ninth point. It has a long list of different translations of Sura 4:34, in order to resolve confusion over this verse, circulating around the web. This longer article has many links that demonstrate the oppression of women under Islamic law (scroll down to 'Further discussion').

8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.

In 2003, in Saudi Arabia a man had two teeth extracted under the law of retaliation.

In 2003, a court in Pakistan sentenced a man to be blinded by acid after he carried out a similar attack on his fianc�e.

In 2005, an Iranian court orders a man's eye to be removed for throwing acid on another man and blinding him in both eyes.

The Quran says:

5:45 And We ordained therein for them: Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal. But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and  wrongdoers . . .). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur'an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)

This passage allows for an indemnity or compensation instead of imposing the literal punishment of eye for an eye. No one should have a quarrel with this option. According to the hadith, the plaintiff also has the option to forgive, and this is legitimate, provided a judge oversees the process. The problem is the literal law of retaliation.

The hadith and later legal rulings demonstrate that this excessive option was actually carried out, as do the three modern examples linked above.

Please go here for the supporting article that cites the hadith and later legal rulings.

Islamic law calls all of humanity to march backwards 1,400 years BC and to re—impose the old law of retaliation—literally, and the evidence suggest that the Torah never intended the law to be carried out literally, as the supporting article demonstrates.

7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.

Warning! This short article has photos of severed hands. The reader should never lose sight of the fact that this punishment is prescribed in the Quran, the eternal word of Allah. It does not exist only in the fevered imagination of a violent and sick radical regime like the Taliban, which once ruled in Afghanistan.

Hand cut by Taliban in Kabul

A Taliban fighter with the amputated limbs of the victims paraded through the streets of Kabul.

Handcut by Taliban in Kabul



[Full report of amputation] [More photos of amputation]

A Saudi cleric justifies chopping off hands here

The Quran says:

5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)

At first glance, verse 39 seems to accept repentance before the thief's hand is cut off. But the hadith states emphatically that repentance is acceptable only after mutilation. Muhammad himself says that even if his own daughter, Fatima, were to steal and then intercede that her hand should not be cut off, he would still have to cut it off (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6788)

If the reader would like to see more hadith passages, modern defenses of this indefensible punishment (and a refutation of them), and the Biblical solution to theft, they should click on this long supporting article or this shorter one

6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.

In September 2003, Scotsman Sandy Mitchell faced crucifixion in Saudi Arabia. He was beaten and tortured until he confessed to a crime he did not commit: a bomb plot masterminded by the British embassy. The article says of this punishment that it is the worst kind of execution and that two have been carried out in the last twenty years.

In 2002 Amnesty International reports that even though Saudi Arabia ratified the Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (Convention against Torture) in October 1997, amputation is prescribed under both Hudud (punishments) and Qisas (law of retaliation). AI has recorded thirty—three amputations and nine cross—amputations where the alternate hand or foot is mutilated.

The Quran says:

5:33 Those who wage war against God and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land should be punished by death, crucifixion, the amputation of an alternate hand and foot or banishment from the land: a disgrace for them in this world, and then a terrible punishment in the Hereafter, 34 unless they repent before you overpower them: in that case bear in mind that God is forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)

It may be difficult to accept, but the hadith says that Muhammad tortured these next people before he executed them. This scenario provides the historical context of Sura 5:33—34. The explanations in parentheses have been added by the translator:

Narrated Anas: Some people . . . came to the Prophet and embraced Islam . . . [T]hey turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away . . . The Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they died. (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6802)

The next hadith reports that the renegades died from bleeding to death because Muhammad refused to cauterize their amputated limbs. Then the hadith after that one reports that the renegades were not given water, so they died of thirst. They probably died of both causes: thirst and loss of blood.

See this short article for details on another example of Muhammad's use of torture.

Islamic law says that these punishments are imposed for highway robbery, and in some cases crucifixion does not need a murder before it is imposed.

For more information on Muhammad's brutality and the barbaric laws that flow out of it, go to the back—up article

5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.

In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered a stone wall to be pushed over three men convicted of sodomy. Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.

In its 1991 Constitution, in Articles 108—113, Iran adopted the punishment of execution for sodomy.

In April 2005, a Kuwaiti cleric says homosexuals should be thrown off a mountain or stoned to death.

On April 7, 2005, it was reported that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for 'gay conduct.'

These homosexuals were lucky. Early Islam would have executed them, as these hadith demonstrate.

Ibn Abbas, Muhammad's cousin and highly reliable transmitter of hadith, reports the following about early Islam and Muhammad's punishment of homosexuals: . . .

'If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done' (Abu Dawud no. 4447).

This hadith passage says that homosexuals should be burned alive or have wall pushed on them:

Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God's messenger as saying, 'Accursed is he who does what Lot's people did.' In a version . . . on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law] had two people burned and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad's chief companion] had a wall thrown down on them. (Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments)

Though this punishment of a wall being toppled on them is extreme, the Taliban were merely following the origins of their religion.

If the reader would like to see the confusion in the Quran on the matter of homosexuality, the severity in the hadith, and excessive rulings of classical fiqh, they should see the supporting article. This longer one has links to many discussions on Islamic punishments of homosexuals (scroll down to 'Supplemental material').

4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.


In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging for illicit sex.

The Quran says:

24:2 The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's law]. (Hilali and Khan).

The additions in the brackets, though not original to the Arabic, have the support of the hadith. These command flogging only of unmarried fornicators: Bukhari, Punishments, nos. 6831 and 6833.

The classical legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith closely, so we do not need to analyze them here.

According to this report, in Iran a teenage boy broke his Ramadan fast, so a judge sentenced him to be lashed with eighty—five stripes. He died from the punishment. Though his sad case does not deal with fornication, it is cited here because it shows that lashing can be fatal.


In December 2004, Amnesty International reports:

An Iranian woman charged with adultery faces death by stoning in the next five days after her death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court last month. Her unnamed co—defendant is at risk of imminent execution by hanging. Amnesty International members are now writing urgent appeals to the Iranian authorities, calling for the execution to be stopped.
She is to be buried up to her chest and stoned to death.

This gruesome hadith passage reports that a woman was buried up to her chest and stoned to death:

And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al—Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her . . . (Muslim no. 4206)

The Prophet prayed over her dead body and then buried her. Truthfully, though, how effective was the prayer when Muhammad and his community murdered her in cold blood? The rest of the hadith says that Muhammad told Khalid not to be too harsh, but the Prophet's words drip with irony. Perhaps Muhammad meant that Khalid should not have cursed her. However, if they really did not want to be harsh, they should have forgiven her and let her go to raise her child.

Later Islamic legal rulings follow the Quran and the hadith closely, so we do not need to analyze them here.

Here is the back—up article that supports this fourth reason.

3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.

The author Salman Rushdie Iranian hardliners occasionally renew calls for Rushdie's death

In 1989, Iran's Supreme Leader issued a fatwa (legal decree) to assassinate Salman Rushdie, a novelist, who wrote Satanic Verses, which includes questions about the angel Gabriel's role in inspiring the Quran. Now the extremists in the highest levels in Iran have recently renewed  the fatwa.

In 2005, The Muslim Council of Victoria, Australia, brought a lawsuit against two pastors for holding a conference and posting articles critiquing Islam. Three Muslims attended the conference and felt offended. The two pastors have been convicted based on Australia's vilification law. While on trial, one of them wanted to read from the Quran on domestic violence (see 9, above), but the lawyer representing the Council would not allow it. The pastors are appealing their conviction.

In 2005, British Muslims have been campaigning to pass a religious hate speech law in England's parliament. They have succeeded. Their ability to propagandize has not been curtailed. Opponents of the law say that it stifles free speech that may criticize Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam.

Here are the classical legal rulings.

First, the Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597—98, o8.7):

(1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about 'Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat'; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or 'anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it'; (4) holding that 'any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent'; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended 'the Prophet's message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.'

It is no wonder that critical investigation of the truth claims of Islam can never prevail in Islamic lands when the sword of Muhammad hangs over the scholars' head.

The non—Muslims living under Islamic rule are not allowed to do the following (p. 609, o11.10(1)—(5)):

(1) Commit adultery with a Muslim woman or marry her; (2) conceal spies of hostile forces; (3) lead a Muslim away from Islam; (4) mention something impermissible  about Allah, the Prophet . . . or Islam.

According to the discretion of the caliph or his representative, the punishments for violating these rules are as follows: (1) death, (2) enslavement, (3) release without paying anything, and (4) ransoming in exchange for money. These punishments also execute free speech—even repulsive speech—and freedom of religion or conscience.

Ultimately, censorship testifies to a lack of confidence in one's position and message. If the message of Islam were truly superior, one could trust in the power of truth. As it stands, sharia with its prescribed punishments for questioning Muhammad, the Quran, and sharia itself testifies to their weakness since sharia threatens those who dare to differ.

How confident was Muhammad (and today's Muslims) in his message that he had to rely on violence and force to protect his message, besides reason and persuasive argumentation?

For the supporting article that analyzes the Quran and the hadith, both of which orders death to critics, click here.

2. Islam orders apostates to be killed.

In Iran an academic was condemned to death for criticizing clerical rule in Iran. The rulers assert that he was insulting Muhammad and Shi'ite laws. He was charged with apostasy.

This analysis  tracks the application of apostasy laws around the world, citing many examples.

Apostates are those who leave Islam, like Salman Rushdie (see the linked article in no. three, above), whether they become atheists or convert to another religion. They are supposed to be killed according to the Quran, the hadith, and later legal rulings.

See the previous point no. three for acts that entail leaving Islam according to Islamic law.

Here are the articles that support reason no. two.

This is a short, but full article on apostasy, citing Quranic verses and hadith passages.

Sayyid Maududi, a respected Islamic scholar, in this booklet argues that Sura 9:11—12 refers to apostates and that they should be put to death (scroll down to 'The Proof in the Quran for the Commandment to Execute Apostates').

This Muslim website has an overview of Islam on apostates. They should be given time to repent, but if they refuse, they must be killed.

And the number one reason why sharia is bad for all societies . . .

1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

Muhammad is foundational to Islam, and he set the genetic code for Islam, waging war. In the ten years that he lived in Medina from his Hijrah (Emigration) from Mecca in AD 622 to his death of a fever in AD 632, he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars. They range from small assassination hit squads to kill anyone who insulted him, to the Tabuk Crusades in late AD 630 against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a rumor that an army was mobilizing to invade Arabia, but the rumor was false, so his 30,000 jihadists returned home, but not before imposing a jizya tax on northern Christians and Jews.

Money flowed into the Islamic treasury. So why would Muhammad get a revelation to dry up this money flow?

What are some of the legalized rules of jihad found in the Quran, hadith, and classical legal opinions?

(1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may 'marry' the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture. (2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law, did this. (3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low. (4) Old men and monks could be killed. (5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden. (6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim. (7) Civilian property may be confiscated. (8) Civilian homes may be destroyed. (9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed. (10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience. (11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced 'charity' or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax. The last two options mean that money flows into the Islamic treasury, so why would Muhammad receive a revelation to dry up this money flow?

Thus, jihad is aggressive, coercive, and excessive, and Allah never revealed to Muhammad to stop these practices.

For an analysis of the Christian Crusades and the Islamic Crusades, click here

For the supporting article of reason no. one, please go here.  It also has a segment on the differences between jihad in Islam and the wars in the Old Testament. Another article on that topic can be read here.   There are vast differences between Islam and Judaism on this topic.

Therefore, Islam is violent—unjustly and aggressively.


The nightmare must end. Sharia oppresses the citizens of Islamic countries. Islam must reform, but the legal hierarchy in Islamic nations will not do this because the judges and legal scholars understand the cost: many passages in the Quran and the hadith must be rejected, and this they cannot do. After all, the Quran came down directly from Allah through Gabriel, so says traditional theology. So how can Islam reform? But reform it must. It can start by rewriting classical fiqh (interpretations of law). Again, though, that would mean leaving behind the Quran and Muhammad's example. How can the legal hierarchy in Islamic nations do this?

In contrast, the West has undergone the Enlightenment or the Age of Reason (c. 1600—1800+), so western law has been injected with a heavy dose of reason. Also, the New Testament tempers excessive punishments. At least when Christianity reformed (c. 1400—1600), the reformers went back to the New Testament, which preaches peace and love. So religion and reason in the West permit justice to be found more readily—the Medieval Church is not foundational to Christianity; only Jesus and the New Testament are.

Can Islamic countries benefit from an Enlightenment that may deny the Quran and the hadith? This seems impossible. Islamic law threatens Muslims with death if they criticize Muhammad and the Quran, not to mention denying them.

Since Islamic law cannot be reformed without doing serious damage to original and authentic Islam—the one taught by Muhammad—then a second plan must be played out. Sharia must never spread around the world. At least that much is clear and achievable. The hard evidence in this article demonstrates beyond doubt that sharia does not benefit any society, for it contains too many harsh rules and punishments.

One of the most tragic and under—reported occurrences in the West in recent years is the existence of a sharia court in Canada.  Muslims are pushing for a sharia divorce courting Australia  as well. Having a court of arbitration if it is based on western law and legal theory is legitimate, but sharia does not hold to this standard. Whether sharia is imposed gradually or rapidly, Canada should promptly shut down any sharia court, and Australia should never allow one. Such a court should never be permitted in the US, the rest of the West, or anywhere else in the world that is battling Islam.

It is true that the Enlightenment teaches tolerance, but it also teaches critical thinking and reasoning. Sharia cannot stand up under scrutiny. It is intolerant and excessive, and Aristotle in his Nicomachean Ethics teaches the West that excess is never just.

Thankfully, the province of Quebec, Canada, has forbidden sharia. This is the right initiative.

Sharia ultimately degrades society and diminishes freedom.

James M. Arlandson may be reached at

Supplemental material:

In private emails to me or on websites, Muslim apologists (defenders) claim that the Islamic way of dealing with vices is superior to the western way, even in Islam's punishments like flogging and stoning. It is true that the West is filled with decadence, but are Islamic countries pure and pristine through and through, as these Muslim apologists imply? To anyone whose mind has not been clouded by a lifetime of devotion to Islam, the answer to this rhetorical question is obvious. Alcohol and other intoxicants and gambling serve as test cases.

This article says that Bahrain, an island and independent sate that is connected to Saudi Arabia by a causeway, provides a 'breathing lung' for Saudis because this Islamic island allows the free flow of alcohol and a night life. The words 'breathing lung' in Bahrain mean that Saudi Arabia suffocates people. On the weekends an average of 40,000 cars line up to cross the bridge.

This article discusses the smuggling of alcohol in Saudi Arabia and says:

"Western analysts note that alcohol smuggling of the magnitude underway in Saudi Arabia —— perhaps tens of millions of dollars' worth of illegal merchandise annually —— would likely involve the complicity of Saudi customs agents and perhaps a higher—level patron."

This article reveals how Iranians get around the official ban on alcohol, like beer and vodka and other intoxicants, like opium. A black market has sprung up—just like the one in America during Prohibition.

This article says that even though the Taliban, the tyrants who formerly ruled Afghanistan, outlawed the growth of poppies, which are the source of opium, the leaders of the Taliban may have profited from the drug trade. The new and democratic government has a hard time keeping this drug under control.

This article says that authorities in Turkey threaten to imprison online gamblers, and this page links to a report (scroll to the second one) that discusses how Turkey must deal with the problem of monetary interest, alcohol, and gambling. It is revealing to see how Muslim religious leaders try to squirm out of Quranic laws against interest, in order to help Islamic financial institutions make money.

The purpose of these links is not to condemn Islamic countries or to assert that the West is better than they are. Facts say that the West has many problems. Rather, the purpose is to demonstrate that Islamic countries have their share of problems as well. This means that Islamic countries are also decadent. This means that Islamic punishments do not work entirely (except by scare tactics), but they can drive the sin or crime underground.


I tried to bring up Sharia law on a forum. Its very hard to get others to understand the oppression muslem people have been going through, and that many have suffered greatly striving for change. The video The Roses of Iran, on youtubes is a very good starting place. This to me is the single most important issue in understanding that declaring war with the middle east instead of working carefully to help people establish basic human rights and dignity, equality, and separation of religion and state, which should be secular. This should be a world wide goal.

Every primitive culture has its sharia.
Westerners have fought for the rule of law for thousands of years. The English got their ruler, King John, to admit he was not above the law when he signed the Magna Carta in 1215. We have a long a glorious history of marching to freedom; we cannot discard everything just because barbarians want it.
No sharia, no Islam, no Muslims!

thanks i was wondering if our troops were in afghanistan opposing drugs

Plain and simple the Sharia conflicts with the rulings in the Infallible Quran. One example that is the most controversial is Adultery, the punishment in Quran for Adultery is a set number of lashes, note like any law it is too deter corrupt behavior, yet Imams, Mullahs, Scholars and others set up so-called hadiths and fatwas as rivals to Quran and God ruling against the Guidance in the Quran. They are in complete error and the Islamic community accepts this because they are told to be muslim you must accept Quran and so-called narration attributed to the prophet Muhammad.

Whose narrations are better than the narrations of God. God is Sufficient and Disposer of Affairs. There is no compulsion in religion, Islam. Free will is predicated on reason and we all can choose for ourselves without others compelling us to do as they desire.

The Quran forbids evil doing as an individual and society.
I challenge you to read the Quran and learn about Muhammad, the lived according to the Quran. The Quran always speaks against killing and evil doing. All those stories of spreading Islam by the sword is to vilify the religion. The Quran is clear and does not allow the killing of anyone unless they aggressivelly attack you. Religious poitics plagues the so-called Islamic world and Christian societies. Christianity is blamed for Slavery yet not all Christians condoned it and many fought against it. If it is easy to attribute the evils of men who claim a religion to the Religion itself, we will always be caught up in the politicks of religious ingorance. I as a woman know Islam has nothing to do with a man ruling I have to marry someone I don't want to, or I can't drive a car because me father, brother or some one man arranged marriage for me withot my consent, or I must be accompained by a male family member at least 12 years of age to go outside after dark. God does not command such Unjust and Ignorace but man does and call it religion. My intelligence will not allow me to believe in such rulings or adhere to them. God is Just. He speaks on all these things in the Quran. God has ruled and there is no need for man to interpret that which is clear, plain and simple. That is saying God is not capable of clarifiying the revelations for the people.

I recommend those of you reading this to use your intelligence and read the Quran and to learn Islam not the books men and women write in an attempt to explain Islam to others. I learned at an early age I could not depend on anyone other than God to educate me about life, the worlds, religion, people and all the other things I possess knowledge of. The Quran says divide not the religion into sects yet you have every sect saying one is not Muslim unless you believe in the Quran and what they have of the so-called hadiths attributed to Muhammad.

Do some real investigation on Islam by reading the Quran and stop trying to vilify Islam. No society is Superior over another. Each society has its reign and naturally it comes to an end. History has provening this with the sciences. We see nations of old ruined beneath the earth under sand, dirt and water. With the natural disaster washing out the towns and people in American and around the world, it is evident we are like all other nations at the mercy of God.

The sharia is man made while the Quran is Divine revelation.

I'm tired of Islam taking the beating for the men who oppress others with their rulings and call it Islamic.

You cleverly managed not to condemn Islamic countries but you were successful at vilifying and condeming Islam and Allah. Maybe that's the problem too many people condone the countries politicks and comdemn Islam because the countries "say" their rulings are based on Quran; rarely Quran but always so-called hadith.

(Response to Mayfield): "the Quran is Divine revelation." I like how so many of us who claim to be seekers of truth (in any religion) will take a single document which has undergone years and years of translation, retranslation and reinterpretation to be the absolute and unaltered truth. Let alone this fact, I personally find it offensive to claim that absolute truth - something which must be changeless and by necessity encompass every belief, every faith, every mode of existence and manifestation of divine reality in this world - can be confined to the finite pages and print of a single document. Absolute truth needs no prop; before one goes forth claiming that something which someone else wrote is this eternal knowledge, they really ought to go and test it for themselves in the real world. Mr. Arlandson here is doing little more than describing the horrifying effects that this particular implementation of Islam - sharia - has had on a great and unfortunate mass of people worldwide; it is not a vilification of the religion itself but the incredulous way in which so many have tried to interpret it and then despotically impose their ways upon poorer and less educated individuals. If he wanted to vilify the religion itself, the article would rather be titled "Top ten reasons why Islam is bad for all societies," which is the furthest thing from the truth for reasons I do not need to enumerate here. The seeds of self-enlightenment and peace are to be found in every faith; it is the mental noise and filter we cover it with - from the highest priest, rabbi or mullah to the lowest worshiper - which spawns these illusions about ourselves and the world, and leads to all the weakness, violence and misery we see around us. The truth is to be found here and now, not in any book or speech or great leader - however great these may be as guides along the path - and the only question to answer is whether or not we have the courage to receive it.

A religion of peace and tolerance? Humm Try taking a Bible to any Muslim country and preach Christianity. Most likely you will be arrested if not physically attacked or both. What religion has been attacking the U.S. government for over 20 years. What religion were the terrorist that attack us and caused casualties in high numbers since the civil war. Muslims, not Christians, Not Jewish, Not Hindus or any other country or religion.
We practice tolerance here in the U.S., they don't in Muslim countries.

I think this story is very interesting. Great insights. Sparks wanting more knowledge of the Muslim "heritage" of those people.

What I am missing though, is the "line between the extremist and the normal islam person".

You see there are lots of muslims living "all over the world", just as christians, jewish, catholic etc. and what bothers me is I havent ever heard of a muslim cutting off someone elses hand or mutilating another persons body in lets say england, canada, germany, USA france. If such conduct is strictly happening in their "homeland" country, then what makes their reason for their punishment laws any different than that of ours in the USA. After all we have the "death penalty" too.

Is it less brutal to place someone under 50 thousand volts of electrical circuit in a chair, whilst waiting on exactly that for 20 years prior?

Those of us whom are conscious need to change "that which we do ourselves inorder to be advocates for others to follow or change their ways". No - I do not agree with the punishments at all.

However helping these people UNDERSTAND that "that which was written back then had been written for THAT timeframe and to be used as a moral guide for generations to come, not used as a legal aid for a free ticket to harm fellow man/woman".

Before we can do such (help people understand) we must get back to the basics ourselves. No more death penalty, ridding the average nut in our own country of guns and such etc.

Very interesting writing on Sharia Law. I thank the author for the explainations. I am very appauled at the behavior of Muhammed. I cannot imagine Jesus chopping off a thief's hand. Jesus says that if a man steals your coat give him the cloak. A cloak protects the coat from being ruined by the rain. That mean that society protects itself by teaching a criminal how to earn an income, or overcome their desparation with character. Do you think the police would like to be in the business of chopping off hands? I do like to be open to other cultrual ideas, but not this one.
I love America and our Constitution. I have a son in Iraq and am divorced from a Turkish Muslim.
Oh the stories my son tells me about the covert sins of Islamic people. My Turkish husband of 2 short nightmarish years was abusive. He even showed me a verse in the Quoran that says a man can hit is wife on the legs with a stick no longer than his forearm nor thicker than his thumb. Hummm I thought a while on this and said "You mean there is no limit as to the size of the bat I can beat you with?" Islamic women...get your bats an arise!
Muslims, sharia laws are cruel, oppressive and silly. You need a new Messiah to help you write a new Qouran.

It amazes me when those like Tiese Mayfield defend Islam and state how all the Islamic scholars, Imams and other experts of that religion have for hundreds of years misinterpreted the "Infallible Quran." This being stated so as to try in vain to erect a facade to hide the true colors of Islam. Yet those who have eyes to see and are not fooled by the smoke and mirrors of such diversions understand full well that the heart of Islam is domination, violence and subjugation. This is how Islam started by Mohammad, this is how it grew, and this is how it continues to grow today (see Once you remove the sword from Islam you have nothing for without the sword, forced conversions, and her complete denial of equal rights and benefits to women, persons of other beliefs and those who want to leave the faith, she would crumble.

But the ignorant continue to promote this religion of death and slavery and sadly join her ranks as they view it as chic or as the author noted, a way to escape the decadent "west." Yet, one will never escape the reality of inner decadence common to all mankind through external religious acts whether they be based on the Quran or even the Bible. For all religion does is clean the outside of the cup whilst the inside remains untouched and unclean.

This can be said of Islam which prides itself on the external yet never honestly addresses the internal. For Islam, if she were fully unclothed, would reveal a dead, stinking corpse that has been unchanged by years of faithful kalima recitals, salat (prayers), zakat (almsgiving) and hajj (pilgrimages). Oh certainly, the outside looks wonderful as the call for prayer rings out from the Mosque and the faithful drop to their knees, but it is meaningless and all in vain. For the followers of Islam, if they were honest, would admit that their hearts are plagued by adulterous and murderous thoughts (as well as outright murder committed in so many nations against Christians), pride as claiming superiority to all "lesser" creatures including women, Jews and Christians, lying one to one another as well as the "infidels" so as to gain advantage, and on and one one could go. Ah, but they are faithful Muslims and pray 5 times a day, they go to Mecca and keep the fast and so they are deemed worthy of eternal life.

But all of these acts, regardless of the sincerity of the adherents which I doubt not, is worthless dung in God's eyes. For it is only when a person recognizes that in spite of their religion they are lost and dead in trespasses and sins will they ever seek help as it is only those who are sick who need a physician. Not only sick though, but humble enough to admit they are sick and need help for how many persons have died when, although they knew full well they were sick, had too much pride to seek qualified help?

So too is this true of Muslims who think their religion and religious acts will save them as Allah rewards them with heavenly bliss at the Judgment for their Quranic faithfulness. I will add that such beliefs are not isolated to Muslims but apply to all religions including nominal Christians. Because unless one receives a new heart of flesh in place of their blackened heart of stone they will die lost in sin regardless of what book they follow. For one can faithfully scrub the outside of their life for years by following their religion's tenants and all they will have at the end of their days will be a whitened sepulcher filled with stinking dead man's bones. So this will be for every Muslim lest they repent and believe the gospel where God not only removes sin and unrighteousness from their account but also imputes to them the righteousness of One who was perfect in every way. This being Jesus the Messiah. He also will give them the Holy Spirit which will enable to live holy lives where the glory for faithfulness will not go to them, but rather to Him who gives unto them both the will and strength to do His good pleasure.

This my friends is the glorious truth of the gospel that Islam does all in her power to destroy, suppress and keep from her followers for they know that when the Son sets you free then are ye free indeed.

Before I begin to make any points I would firstly like to point out that I am a CHRSITIAN and i have lived amoung the Muslims my entire life (with the exception of 6 years in the UK).

I like to consider myself a good christian. I pray and I attend church as often as I can and I try to keep the sins to a minimum, which is dificult on occasion as im a practicing lawyer! ;)

Having experienced Islam first hand, that is to say living amongst the people, I find myself tearing my hear out when reading the above comments. You say that Muslims need to wake up and find freedom and throw the shackles of opression to the ground become like you, the West, as though the West itself was some shining ray of hope as to how we should all be living our lives. I have lived in the West and I have travelled to every continent on this planet, met people from all walks of life and I assure you that the least corrupt, least decayed and MOST self respecting religion is Islam, and it is clear from then above comments (bar the main article and a few lines) that many of you are completely ignorant to what Islam is about and what it preaches.

Shariaa Law is RARELY applied to such extremes. Yes Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Afghanistan and a small number of other nations enforce the prinicpals of Shariaa Law to the extreme and take it word for word rather than as a guideline as to how society may ought to be run and to adapt.

Muslim people hate no one. With the exception of the Palestinians and the Iranians Israel is not universally but the Arab world. You have to keep in mind that Muslims are a very proud people and their faith teaches peace, honour, dignity and selfless sacrifice. It condemmns violence of any nature that goes unwarranted and as for beating ones wife that NEVER happens! Its just written in the Quran as it is written in the Bible, an eye for an eye, nothing more. A few regimes seeking to impose themselves on the people use Sharia'a Law and the harshest teachings of the Quran to maintain control over their people and provide a good reason for doing so.

As for taking a Bible to the Middle East, how ignorant do you have to be to know that there are churches in Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Oman and now in Kuwait. Thats not to even mention the millions of Christians in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Palestine. I live in Abu Dhabi and I get to practice christmas every year, lights on the streets, parties, Santa Clause, everything (except the snow). I go to bars and restaurants dotted along the corniche and downtown and drink to my hearts content and no one says anything.

I would STRONGLY suggest, except to the author of the above article, that those of you that make such baseless accusations which rely primarily on what you have heard through rumours and what you have seen on your western TV to come and visit the Middle East and witness for yourselves how advanced and cultured the Arabs are now.

Being a Lawyer in the Gulf I know law and I know what the Shariaa Law states and what is practiced and none of the nonesense that has come prior to my article is true. Perhaps in Saudi and in Kuwait but the rest of the Arab World (Middle East) we have no such behaviour.

Never in the 6 years living in the UK did I hear such nonsense and I am truely NOT surprised to see that it comes primarily from the US. Sure 9/11 was a trerrible thing and you have my deepest condolences, however try to remember no one is attacked for no reason. the US had been using, exploiting and destroying lives in the Middle East a LONG time before 9/11. Im not saying I agree with 9/11 but I understand why it happened.

---Random other note... I really wish the author of the article would respond to Ziad's comment. He " understand why it happened" meaning 9/11. Are you serious?! Their is no reason for that ever to be justifiable!

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